Yes, Tom Cruise is super crazy. Louis Theroux heads to Los Angeles for his feature documentary, in collaboration with director John Dower and double Academy Award winning producer Simon Chinn, exploring the Church of Scientology. Glad we could we could agree, and be civil. In thier original and pure forms though, they are beautiful- this is why i studied theology. L.Ron was a con artist, rip-off, boat thief, wife stealer, backstabbing a**hole & crap sci-fi writer. In Scientology, he wrapped these ideas around a theological core of interplanetary gibberish that could have come straight out of one his pulp novels. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Jesus and his "unique" insight into human nature are highly overrated. I would also agree that the two religions, scientology and christianity, are not comparable. I remember walking toward the galley (the dining room), which was in the basement of what is now Celebrity Centre in Los Angeles, trying to digest what I had just learned. Data (1) (1) I imagine a lot of these people go to Scientology when they are in some kind of emotional crisis (NOT financial, mind you ;) ) and in that state people are incredibly malleable. Some fault also falls on the candidates that use religion to get support, and by doing so take the focus off their inability to govern. What you should rally to is, most def, to destroy human stupidity, on one hand, both those who do this, and those who let themselves get into this, and to destroy also human intolerance, which is born most of the times from sheer ignorance and fear. @ N: Thank-you :) Yes, you are right, I am a good person and the majority of people in Scientology are. Thats right I said nothing, you take biology here and the origin of life is never discussed at all. Whats more over half of the judges and district attorneys in this area would overlook offenses toward these wanks. And I will say as many times as i have to that it just isn't that simple. "How dare you!" 62 programmes available. A documentary looking at the inner-workings of the Church of Scientology. Before you have anything to say about my post, check out this link: [link removed]. So if your watching this and thinking to your self "i'm glad i believe in some bloke who made wine magically appear and rose from the dead" or "the bloke with a fat belly and a nice demeanor who sat under a tree is the one for me" you are a hypocrite. I really don't see the appeal of scientology. Go ahead folks. I'm going to watch this one with baited breath, the first time was that good! While for Christians you can boil down the core teachings to this...Love God (which creates humility and changes your disposition towards others allowing you to see what is good in them) and love other people (even laying down your life for people you don't like). Members have no right to complain. Actually, Achem is making an inside joke and a good one at that. A lack of evidence is just that, something that isn't proven, what you're doing by believing in scientology is the same as convicting someone in a court of law just because you "believe" they're guilty, something pretty much all of humanity understands is wrong. I'd overheard one of the "interviews" & had to leave before I jumped in to warn the individuals being interviewed that they were being played & scouted out (i.e. His movie captures an ongoing cycle of seduction and bullying, fearmongering and profiteering, that appears to have turned Scientology into a hamster-wheel of greed. One thing I will say for the simple bunch I live around, they believe in privacy and personal liberty and have no issue with shooting to kill in order to defend theirs. These guys running around filming the Panorama team seem to think they're doing their religion a favour, but actually are exposing it for what it is and contributing to its poor reputation... so stupid. Marty Rathbun, who spent years as Miscavige’s right-hand man, was at the very centre of the citadel, and his testimony has an unsettling authority. Presented by John Sweeney, it is a follow-up of his 2007 investigation into the Church of Scientology and features interviews with former high-ranking members of the organisation. Please. My Scientology Movie is a 2015 British documentary film about Scientology directed by John Dower, and written by and starring Louis Theroux.The film takes an unconventional approach to the subject matter, featuring young actors "auditioning" for parts playing high-profile Scientologists in scenes recreating accounts from ex-members about incidents involving senior church management. He was right about the disease. It just seems like all religions started off as sects or cults. Scientologists most likely don't have THAT kind of power, but still they're dangerous! You can only push someone so far before they lose their cool. By then most of them are brain dead so... Why would anyone be scared of these people? I don't see these attributes or ideas as only belonging to religion, but most religion definetly promotes them. Just a bunch of WEAK MINDED Followers... with some hard core over powering leaders. the first chick whom was said to be a spy was herself filmed holding the camera unseemingly(14:33). This is a very disturbing video documentary for the BBC programme Panorama, by reporter John Sweeney. No one in our denominational structure is rich. And... what kind of entity claiming to be making a "better and good" world for everyone charges something as base as money to be join them? it looks into the deep underlying ideological assumptions of each religion. Louis Theroux, the highly respected BBC documentary maker who … What's the difference? In one of the film’s most chilling episodes, the IRS appears ready to rule that Scientology isn’t a religion (and would therefore have to pay tax), and Miscavige has thousands of the Church’s members sue individual officials of the agency. Yes Scientology is a cult, and while one may criticize the Vatican for amassing wealth (I do), they did it very very slowly. I hope with all my heart, no one I know gets or has gotten caught up in this life stealing scam that wants to be a religion. For me, a god with human emotions such and pride and anger and jealousy never made much sense. In recent years, Scientology members have been leaving the Church with greater frequency, and many of its secrets have been spilled. Wow they really gotta be total head cases to buy any of that stuff. Thanks Adolf,... now I'll never join your weird self-centered egocentric freak filled circus CULT ! makes me feel scared, anyways great doc , loves john sweeneys reactions throughout I only wish they would play the whole songs. A cult? If it claims to be a religion, why does it cost someone to be helped by it. Anyway my point is that I feel absolutedly horrible for helping destroy his faith, maybe he would not have killed himself if he could have held on to the belief that he would see them again or that his father whom was a preacher had not wasted his life. loathsome hollywierd c--k s---ers as toy soldiers, with Me and my friend were watching Tom Cruise clip when he goes bananas. You claim it's impossible for L. Ron Hubbard to have researched for 50 years and to have come up with nothing, but that contradicts Charles Dawrin researching for a similar amount of time and coming up with things that directly contradict L. Ron Hubbard, if time spent was the only requirement for results in research the world would be quite different from what it is today, and L. Ron Hubbard would have a lot more evidence to show if he actually did come up with something tangible. It is only through conversation, that is some form of information and ideological exchange that people can be educated. Why is it when you walk into an establishment of scientology, ( I have done this) They try to sell you help. If all I did was read critical things of Scientology but never LOOKED at IT, I would only get one side. The twisted genius of L Ron Hubbard is that he figured out a way to define and exploit contemporary soul sickness. Can any such simple and universally positive synopsis be made for Scientology? And here's an excerpt from a piece by Stacy Brooks describing her reactions upon first reading OT III: Look at Christianity man! Mack, some slight distinctions: the bearded guy is historically accepted (by 99% of scholars anyway) to have existed if not performed miracles. As ice-cube said: Check yo'self before ya wreck yo'self! Here in the US religion is tearing apart our political system, well actually it is not religion as much as it is the fundementalists that pay attention to nothing else but what a candidates religiouse beliefs are. According to the film, this is a major reason why Travolta has remained a Scientologist. 1. Scientology is a criminal organisation! It is methods to improve your life and others you would like to assist. I mean the top religions didn't get so many members with ONLY use of love. It's a poor way to make a point. I hope so. "Main stream religions" are just older, bigger cults. I find it interesting, that instead of engage in thoughtful debate you insist on A) being certain you know what I, a complete stranger, believe B) impugning these supposed beliefs with belittling adjectives like "goofy" and "silly" and C) using unoriginal logic that does not apply to our conversation so much as it applies to a general conversation you are having with the ether - presumably because that one is easier to "win". Am I being intolerant? and looks like you are willing to looking beyond the christian framework (without original sin, the sacrifice is Jesus does not make much sense). This gave me ALL the insight I will ever need into just how bat-sh!t crazy this cult really is. Interviewing real crackpots, being disrespectful to Scientology after they had taken care of him, which no one else would do. As an ex-Christian, I think you might find it an interesting read. I agree entirely! its got an insider from the church who has now left and is still a scientologist but doesn't agree with the way the church is run. But the whole Xenu story is still a load of crap. It's written by a Science Fiction writer, how can anyone believe it? For all the brave and insightful exposes that have been written about the Church of Scientology, an aura of impenetrable mystery remains. Life is such a short, bumpy journey. I understand people's need for faith and religion. I think by now most people that frequent this site know that I am atheist and what my stance is on religion period. It was a beautiful church really, full of loving kind people- of course my grandfather was the preacher so I guess I am a little biased. The Secrets of Scientology is a documentary which was broadcast on 28 September 2010 as part of the BBC 's Panorama documentary strand. Still, isn't there a law permitting the use of spy equipment or using evidence for extortion? Working with rare footage, Gibney burrows into the enigma of Scientology’s founder, L Ron Hubbard, capturing glints of delusion and megalomania. notice all the defectors said they believe in the precepts, but not the organization. Another scientology whack a doo is jenna elfman. -m, I like how everyine just ignores that A. T. Heist guy. All cults operate on the basis of claiming to offer the exclusive secret to rescue you from having been born, and if you buy that you're completely faithless. If you want to argue why you think that is silliness, argue with someone who disagrees. The behavior of the person going after scientology is very rude and arrogant. Your reality is made up by what you see and hear. Religion is the single most vile institution on the face of the Earth, run by perverted freaks bent on deceiving the mentally weak. He caused people to be brought to I had one teacher in high school that tried to teach it but, so many parents came to the school throwing a fit that he was fired. it would seem that anyone involved in espionage need not hold the camera, of which their eye is damn near pressed to the LCD screen. ; I get what you are saying but honestly can't say it's 100%. This is what religion is and what religions do. is mystery. You're either a saint or a liar if you say that wouldn't push you over the edge. Fact is, they take the whole teachings of Jesus thing pretty seriously and conduct their business accordingly. THERE YOU GO.... AAAHHHHHAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA I just pissed myself laughing. Not me I am not one to be won over by their silly nonsense. Only because they can't get away with it yet. Atheists who are philanthropic or just average good people. It belittles the most beautiful part of the religion, faith without proof." Most people unfortunately do not look for themselves to get a balanced picture of what really is. I think cult YES. Thus they have zero power over me. All you have to do to be a member is: Thanks for joining the conversation Canadian, always love to get the opinions of my friends to the north. They are subhuman scum and are the scourge of the Earth. Scientology is an excellent case study because its excesses are glaringly obvious, but these exact same flaws are present in all religion; the A-list rackets with 100+ million members have simply learned to be more subtle. scientology forbidding it's members from absorbing media is synonymous with christianity's "do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Just like every religion, it's based in brainwashing, mind control, and brute force to get people in, or certain people out, wow, real corrupt **** going on. You said - "the Jesus schpiel is generally an appetizer in my experience. Scientology is funny to me because it is a cheap, C-list parody of the "old" "respectable" and "legitimate" religions of the world. i suppose evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life. My friend barely got away from these creeps, they just want your money and complete obedience, it's really disturbing how they harassed my friend for months after he got away from them. At the end of your "tour" they hand everyone a clipboard with a questionaire & then everyone who fills one out is then interviewed by someone from this "organization". Perhaps I'll say more after the weekend which is nuts for me. Scientology is a particularly entertaining case study because members of all the other religions will point out how different and insane Scientologists are, and conveniently overlook the nonsensical things and dubious motivations and actions of their own cosmic feel-good racket. My church doesn't, and its not a practice that is tolerated in our denomination as a whole. I don't think I'm being all high and mighty, what I'm saying is that you're argument is thin and not well reasoned if you insist on ignoring facts that make it a more complex issue than is convenient for you. Alex Gibney’s documentary demystifies the powerful organisation. Granted, both are horrible, but at its worst, Scientology can only be "charged" with fraud, brainwashing, and trespassing/stalking. (to the people) captured him Louis Theroux tries to understand how Jimmy Savile was able to get away with his crimes. I have no use for dogma or belief that is comprised of, "someone told me it was true and I'll simply accept that it is." And the answer is... Drumroll.......... BRAINWASHING! So, don't assume, because you know this or that about this or that group, that you have a clear picture of all Christians. plain wrong, what ever happened to the single persuit of knowledge Combined, there are more than 200k people following us through these channels: You should sign up for our newsletter. There are plenty of examples of Theist turned Atheist, or Agnostic, or Anti-Theist even; or whatever else term we can come up with along those lines. I personally hate the politically correct agenda so feel free to call me a drunk cause I'm Irish, A faciest cause I'm German, An elitist because I'm American, whatever I have thick skin. Former high-ranking Scientologist Geir Isene, who left the Church in 2009, told the BBC the Church was so concerned about this that it put pressure on … But then in 1950 he published Dianetics, the perpetual bestseller in which he helped invent the principles of the therapeutic ‘self-help’ books that grew hugely popular by the 1970s. Scientology essentially throws money at anybody or anything that gets in its way. This is great I watched it on the BBC website when it first came out. This "church" **IS** a racket and seeing the reactions & responses the reporter in this documentary received, from well known celebrities - I might add, I'm sickened even moreso. Its actually rather pathetic to see people such as yourself completely unable to see such a simple truth, to twist and distort the way you see the world around you to such a degree and to think you're being a positive influence on humanity is just sad. I was just saying its scary when groups like this manage to get a lot of power and start pushing their agenda on the rest of us, like the Mormon Church did with Proposition 9. Try to apply the blind sided generalization. Here is what I have to say. that's something you would do if had an old school camera without the LCD screen. I am so sorry to hear about your friend. It is impossible that in L. Ron Hubbard's 50 years of research that he came up with nothing. We all have opinions and experiences and our own definitions of Truth and other Mysteries and Unknowns of life don't we ? No but they are stupid, and stupid ends up murdering. The last time I was in Los Angeles I visited a "Museum of Death" on Sunset Strip which turned out to be run by the CoS - using, however, an alias akin to some kind of human rights organization (so they never *say* it's a Scientologist run "attraction".) I mean that. ... You know it's incredible when religious people see Scientology and say "lol how can they buy into this" or "They are brainwashing". So they read the Bible while praying to God for understanding of the text as he would have them interpret it. When you have paid as much as £100,000, you get to Operating Thetan … :(. Maybe all of the above. these stunted waifs went to expensive schools, were raised on white stuff and kept well clear of dusting. Directed by John Dower. Scientology is a cult. But so could the kind-hearted church that hands out meals to the homeless under an overpass... the Jesus schpiel is generally an appetizer in my experience. :). You do the religious population a great favor by exhibiting such restraint and deep examination of dogma. I'm fine with people having their own personal/religious beliefs, just not when it infringes on the freedoms of others in such an extreme manner. Notice how every Official & Celebrity get's irate at the reporter? @ Canadian Have you ever had auditing or done a course? you're missing the point if you think that scientology is bad because it's a cult or religion. I agree that the core concepts are beautiful but that doesn't excuse the wrong doings of the the organized religion that has over taken these concepts. Directed by Alex Gibney and produced by HBO, it is based on Lawrence Wright 's book Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood and the Prison of Belief (2013). I think I have finally found a use for the Dark Side of the Moon... hey Mr. Cruz your rocketship is fueled and ready to launch, and there is room enough for all your dumb little buddies. @Coyote; Sure what they do as regards to family is terrible and yes they are some shady people. Every living being origins from just one cell. You have a right to your beliefs and I hope they make you happy, I am not trying to argue with you. Religion is what people use to justify their actions and to make themselves feel better and superior to others. A powerful global corporation? To me, God, the whole notion, the person, etc. They will probalby use them and their techinques for their own ends. preyed upon) by Scientologists. Yet what’s most resonant about the film is that, like Scientology itself, it speaks to the tendencies of our age. Why is Scientology's load of supernatural gibberish any more silly than the claims of any other religions? this is no religion its a joke, and anyone foolish enough to belive this , deserves to be part of it. Nothing against new religions having weird taticts, they all did. After we take down scientology we should rally to destroy religion and move in to the rightfully modern world we deserve. This doc was creepy.